Paul D. Miller speaks with Mark Melton about the current situation in Afghanistan as well as what might happen in the country next. In particular, they cover the perils that religious minorities and other vulnerable groups face, the possibility of civil war, the collapse of the Afghan economy, and the possibility of the US giving food aid to the country. They also discuss what Christians and churches can do to help the Afghan refugees who came to the United States. Miller explains why the current Taliban is not a better “Taliban 2.0” and recounts reports about atrocities the Taliban is currently committing. Miller and Melton talk about the Biden administration’s plans to conduct counterterrorism operations “over the horizon,” the possibility of al-Qaeda and ISIS resuming operations from the country, and the need for having “eyes and ears” to monitor terrorist threats. He notes, “It may be that we’re not even halfway through the War on Terror yet.” Miller also analyzes how the Afghanistan withdrawal plays into America’s great power competition with Russia and China and how it changes the culture of world order. Finally, he counters the notion that Afghanistan is the “Graveyard of Empires.”

This podcast was recorded on September 30, 2021.

For further reading and listening, see:

Afghanistan: What Happened and What’s Next?” featuring Paul D. Miller & Jon Askonas.

Ep. 66 | The Fall of Afghanistan and Joe Biden’s Withdrawal,” featuring Rebeccah Heinrichs and Mark Melton.

Don’t Assume Russia and China Will Fumble Afghanistan Crisis,” by Mark Melton.

The Battle for the History of the Afghan War,” by Paul D. Miller.

Photo caption for podcast image: A child’s lost stuffed animal after the departure of Afghan evacuees at Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar, on August 30, 2021. US Air Force courtesy photo by Tech. Sgt. Amber Flanagan.