Mark Tooley interviewed Matt Kroenig, and they discuss his latest book, The Return of Great Power Rivalry: Democracy versus Autocracy from the Ancient World to the US and China. After the global financial crisis of 2007–08, many suggested America’s model of open market democracy failed and China’s state-led capitalism performed better. But in Return of Great Power Rivalry, Kroenig comes to a different conclusion: democracies have an advantage in international relations. He also says the COVID-19 pandemic reinforces many of the book’s themes, and the pandemic has amplified the great power rivalry. Kroenig also explains historical lessons from previous geopolitical rivalries, including the strengths democracies have. Tooley and Kroenig also discuss the pessimism some Americans have about the United States’ ability to compete with China.